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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 386 for the 13th of March

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2016 13th not unlucky for me not unlucky

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for anyone unless you're having an

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unlucky day hmm coming up on this week's

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show I was not unlucky folks I was far

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from unlucky I got to see an evening

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with Alan Alda in Canberra what a

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wonderful delightful evening it was and

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very informative to hear Allinol to talk

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about the science communication I

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certainly learned a lot in the very

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short time he was on stage when i say

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short time it was a good performance an

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hour and a half or thereabouts-- but the

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time just flew anyway i'll be discussing

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my thoughts and opinions and impressions

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and so on about the evening with Alan

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Alda and he'll be playing some clips

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from his address to the National Press

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Club a day or two later which really tie

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in a great deal to what the skeptic zone

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and skepticism in general tries to push

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or promote or one of our or two of our

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philosophies we'll get to that soon at

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the top of the show an evening with Alan

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Alda after that it's another clip from

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our friends at the good thinking Society

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in the UK Michael Marshall and his crew

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investigate the infamous faith healer

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peter Popoff who you may well remember

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was the the man that Randy james randi

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caught out in the 80s many years ago as

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he was using a hidden earpiece to

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receive divine messages backstage from

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his wife good thinking investigates

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faith healer peter Popoff he's turned up

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again like a bad penny after that it's a

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brief report from me I went along to

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psychic Sunday today in the suburb of

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Fairfield a little psychic expose

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psychic fair put on it was quite

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interesting to go there I I'm glad I did

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and you'll hear my little report a

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little later on in the show

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then to round off the show I'm going to

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be reading a piece featured on the

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Australian skeptics website wapt.com

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delay you about chiropractic entitled

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Cairo border says to the line or else

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yes it seems the chiropractic board in

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Australia here are cracking down get it

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crackin yeah down on these claims some

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of the bizarre claims of chiropractors

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including things like treating colic and

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anti-vaccination advice and so on and so

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forth more about that right at the end

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of the show as I read a piece by the

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editor of the skeptic magazine Tim

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mendham and if you're not a subscriber

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to the skeptic magazine from Australian

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skeptics i encourage you to be one do so

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just go to skeptics calm today you and

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day click the links to become a

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subscriber to the magazine and i'm quite

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chuffed that if you go there you can

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read one of the feature articles from

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the current issue of the skeptic

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magazine written by yours truly and now

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good friend dr. chrissy wilson an

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analysis of a reading or a series of

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readings given by psychic psychic lisa

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williams the UK psychic you can read

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that whole report ah free you can

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download that free at skeptics calm

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today you but now it's time for me to

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run downstairs and just pour myself a

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very large glass of dry ginger ale with

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lots of ice to try and cool down as

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Australian listeners will know the heat

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wave continues I was just looking at the

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TV report for the upcoming weeks worth

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of where they're hoping that the cool

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change would be coming our way and it

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doesn't look like it so you people in

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Sydney especially in Melbourne to I

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understand brisbane look anywhere in

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australia just about i sympathize those

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muggy nights where you can't get much

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sleep yeah i blame those people in the

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northern hemisphere just hogging all the

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anyway where was I oh yes I'm gonna run

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downstairs have that nice cool glass of

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ginger ale of lots of ice while I'm

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doing that I hope you enjoy the skeptic

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an evening with Alan older on Tuesday

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the eighth of March i traveled to

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Canberra to see an evening with Alan

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Alda sponsored by the Australian

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National University for those of you who

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don't know Alan Alda is better known as

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show mash but he's also a writer and

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series Scientific American frontiers and

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this episode or just google Scientific

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discover the links to the videos I

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particularly liked the episode where he

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and ray hyman were testing water

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diviners throughout his long career it

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is obvious that one of Alan alders

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passions has been science and science

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communication indeed there is now the

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Alan Alda Center for communicating

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science at stony brook university in new

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york and from that website we read Alan

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1993 to 2005 an experience he has called

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quote the best thing I ever did in front

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of a camera and quote considering his

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career from mash to the west wing on

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television and an array of notable

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movies and theater roles it's quite an

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endorsement after interviewing hundreds

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of scientists mr. older became convinced

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that many researchers have wonderful

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stories to tell but need some help in

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important role in the creation of the

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science and has led workshops at use

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documentary miniseries the human spark

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and has written a play about the life of

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philosophy and pointers and tips on how

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links to the show notes but I'll play a

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national press club Emma McDonald from

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scientists to communicate perhaps a

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so should we be taking a participant in

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problem could you do ah ha ha that's

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general reading if you believe that

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science has an answer to something said

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by someone whose interest it is to deny

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the science do you feel there's any

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responsibility on the part of the

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journalist to say this is not the

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alternative view this is one view that

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equal status to men and women that was

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Rights Amendment and they were basically

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lies and they were often treated in the

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press as an alternative argument but the

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opinion to well-established facts or if

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something slightly controversial get the

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far lunatic fringe in the comment as if

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more or less understood science it

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happens again and again we see it when

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one and one against a vaccination

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scientists or something like that so it

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that point because it's a point that

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the Australian Financial Review what

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they with which they hope they'll win

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the day but it's built on the idea is

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that it's very important how you say

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and the proof proved proofs they have of

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their findings are really what they need

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to concentrate on what we can help them

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like climate change is a sense of

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familiarity a lot and the other problem

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of people believing that vaccinations

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are dangerous who do you hear the news

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from and who do you trust and the more

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go to for trusted news more than it is

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now where it used to be then the better

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off we'll all be with getting

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that it's coming from a trusted source I

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would rather hear from a Nobel Prize

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winner about these issues than my Uncle

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Louie who doesn't happen to be a Nobel

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Prize now he touches on a very good

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point here of course and he mentioned

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this in his live presentation that

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people would rather trust family members

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the person next to all people in their

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own social groups then the experts in a

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particular field especially when it

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comes to things like vaccinations or

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general health tips or health news or

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things like this and I'm glad he had the

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opportunity to put this point to the

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nation's press and I notice he's been

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doing a lot of television and radio

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spots in the last couple of days not

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surprising he's a he's a very well-known

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person here in Australia due to the fact

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that mash has been on repeats now for

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30-plus years and on a personal note to

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I think I Oh Alan older a little bit of

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something because when I was in high

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school watching episodes of mash I think

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I picked up a little bit of the

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character of Hawkeye Pierce where he had

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all these um very quick comebacks of

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course they were scripted we know that

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of course they were scripted but there

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was something in that cheeky come back

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and the his wit that really impressed me

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and sometimes I wonder if I'm channeling

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a little bit of Hawkeye Pierce when I'd

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give my my life talks maybe I am Thank

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You Alan Alda thank you for visiting

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Australia folks a worthwhile man indeed

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a great science communicator you have

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the chance to go to the internet and see

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so much of his work not just as an actor

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but for our concerns more importantly as

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skeptics in the public secrets and lies

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the psychology of conspiracy theories

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with Karen Douglas now it's on the

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seventeenth of March at seven thirty the

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Banshee labyrinth at 29 to 35 nidra

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street edinburgh scotland was 9-11 an

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inside job is a climate change a hoax

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was Princess Diana murdered millions of

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people appear to think so disbelieving

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official explanations for significant

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events in favor of alternative accounts

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that are often called conspiracy

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theories in recent years psychologists

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have begun to investigate what makes

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conspiracy theories appealing to so many

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people in this talk professor Karen

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Douglas will broadly overview what

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psychologists have found out so far and

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we'll discuss some of her own findings

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on the causes and consequences of belief

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in conspiracy theories that skeptics in

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the pub in Edinburgh Scotland on the

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seventeenth of March at the Banshee

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good thinking society investigates faith

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healer peter Popoff with Michael

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Marshall I have an investigate in the

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Evangelist Peter pop-up for the last six

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months when I witnessed this woman's

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chronic pain being condemned to the pits

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of hell it was just the latest chapter

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of a bizarre story that involved peter

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Popoff making miracle claims while

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relentlessly bantering me and his

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thousands of followers with letters

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asking for thousands of pounds you've

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got cancer of the stomach are you ready

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for God to burn that cancer out Popov

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was one of the biggest televangelist to

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the 1980s Clement uses connection to God

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to diagnose and cure all manner of

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diseases an investigation by rationalist

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James Randi showed that pop-ups miracle

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insights weren't coming from God but

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from the earpiece pop of use to

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communicate with his wife hello can you

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hear me if you can't you're in trouble

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exposed as a fraud pop-up declared

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bankruptcy in 1987 but almost 30 years

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later he's resurrected his career and is

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back in business using mass mailing the

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internet and television to spread his

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gospel God is touching hurting people

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around the world and now he wants to

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touch you with this miracle working

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power i'm peter Popoff this is my

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precious wife Liz and we have seen

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miracle health manifestation miracle

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well manifestation to receive the

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miracle wealth Popoff promises you have

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to sign up for a free sample of miracle

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water from his website was exactly what

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i did in March 2015 before long i

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received my miracle water but that's not

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all i got with it Kim a letter promising

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me that within weeks I'd received up to

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19,000 pounds all I had to do was pray

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with popov and then send him an offering

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of 25 pounds I was unconvinced but a

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fortnight later another letter arrived

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this one promising me the life of a

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millionaire all I had to do was send pop

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of 30 pounds in

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I shall check within the next five days

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the next letter told me how to cancel my

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debt using the debt irizar that he sent

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me which was literally an eraser

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I was told I needed to wear a miracle

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slipper and to stand on a Bible while

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praying in June I was told that it was

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very important I do anything necessary

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to send palm of 100 pounds promising a

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hundredfold return in fact if the devil

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was trying to stop me sending my hundred

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pounds I should double my donation to

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really show him who's boss more and more

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letters came and I was sent miracle item

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after miracle item healing leaves

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miracle bracelets sawdust from the cross

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even miracle salt each letter came

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that's all instructions its own ritual

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its own promises of impending wealth and

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its own demand for money but it wasn't

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just the letters Papa also sent me

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tickets to his personal appearance in

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London where Popov himself will be

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ministering to the crowd I decided to go

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along and events are 2,000 pop-up

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followers eager to experience some of

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his promise miracles audio from Popov

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slung an event may 2015 disappear

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disappear sickle cell anemia

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applications reverse lever makes one

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healing in particular stood out the lady

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whose whole body had been wracked with

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pain for years and the touch of popups

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hand she fell into a convulsive fit one

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Vanessa

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my colleague and I were astonished we

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had witnessed the same woman earlier in

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the day when she was handing out pens

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and flyers after her supposed healing

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was complete she returned to her seat in

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the audience but a few moments later she

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discreetly left her seat and didn't

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return it seems possible that she was a

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plant from pop of steam 30 years after

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he was proven to be cheating our

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investigation suggests peter Popoff is

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making hundreds of thousands of pounds

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selling hope and miracles to thousands

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of vulnerable people does the abundant

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wealth he promises ever materialize does

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His divine healing ever cure anybody or

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are his followers left potentially mired

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in debt and ill health while the good

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Reverend simply counts his profits we've

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shared our findings with the City of

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London police action fraud team for

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further investigations we'll be sure to

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keep him today it on any development

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investigator Michael Marshall special

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thanks to Emma mature music by Ben sound

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good thinking society at good thinking

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society org or twitter at good thinking

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year does is often dodge Manannan

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information newborns on the skeptic

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I'm walking around the oz paranormal and

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spiritual Expo here at Fairfield at the

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sort of the community center here for

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historical reasons the museum Fairfield

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City Museum Fairfield to the suburb in

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western Sydney and there's a paranormal

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/ clairvoyant sort of fair on today it's

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a little affair that's why might put it

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that way with talks out here about

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casting spells to get rid of that

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naughty negative energy and I just

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attended a talk antero and wandering

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around the old buildings here it's very

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well done action is there's lots of

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historical buildings an old classroom

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sort of like something I almost remember

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old thing the historical the interests

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and the psychics have set them up selves

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up in various historical little

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buildings here and they got their

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banners outside and gives you the chance

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exhibitions bits and pieces and you

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can't help it sort of well over here

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some of the readings is there in

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progress and it's just I shouldn't be

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amazed or astonished but sometimes I am

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about how pedestrian and predictable and

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out of the cold reading books they are

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or not even not even that quality from

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what I've accidentally overheard so to

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speak wandering around it's normally the

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same thing again and again and again

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psychics asking sitters questions to was

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when was what does this mean Exeter etc

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and then

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they get an answer or not as I just

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heard a lot of blanks and they carry on

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so the the talent the skill the

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education required to be what I daresay

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to be a successful reader taro whatever

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the case may be is um is pretty minimal

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because people simply sit there and well

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laptop because they want to they've paid

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for it they expect it to be true they

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certainly have no grounding in well the

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basics of cold reading for example so

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that's quite interesting so we have how

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many one I'm just coming over to the

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booking area where you can book to have

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your reading and I see we've got one two

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three four five six seven eight eight

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psychics on today and I just look at the

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names no I can't say can't say that I've

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heard of them the charge at the moment

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is between twenty to thirty dollars for

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15 minutes twenty the thirty dollars for

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fifteen of it

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but apart from that you know it's good

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to come to these little events I just

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had as I said I just SAT through the

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half hour talk antero and i'm really

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glad i did because of a new idea struck

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me which i'm going to be working on

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thinking it's you know how do you do on

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the lines of psychology and which

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interest be great with the psychology of

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all this about how people in the

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audience were lapping it up and why they

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were lapping it up and I I might take a

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little bit of time but I'm certainly

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glad I came because sometimes ideas well

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who knows maybe they just drop out of

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the universe on a seven-year cycle

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mm-hmm nor is it a nine year cycle that

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we were being told about apparently when

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your cycles are done you have to do it

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all again which is another cycle hmm so

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as ever my advice listeners if you have

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the chance to go to a mind-body wallet

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mind body spirit psychic expo day talk

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do it now I can't tell you what to do

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when you get there some people like to

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strike a strike up an argument I never

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find that very very productive although

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I once had a very vocal argument with

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somebody selling fake suntan lotion

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having had melanoma myself you

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understand but no generally speaking

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it's really worth it you will learn

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something and over the many years I've

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been doing this I had certainly given me

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a very good understanding into many

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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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Australian skeptics subscribe online to

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the world's second oldest skeptical

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magazine visit w WC apx calm day you and

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click the publication's league you can

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also find their over 30 years on back

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issues free to download the skeptic

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you

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on the 7th of March 2016 by Tim mendham

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Cairo Board says toe the line or else

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the chiropractic Board of Australia

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which regulates Australia's 5,000

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chiropractors has released a statement

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reinforcing that practitioners need to

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ensure their advertising complies with

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the requirements of the national law or

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they risk prosecution and disciplinary

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action quote the statement is squarely

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directed at practitioners who are not

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toeing the line our position is

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unequivocal false and misleading

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advertising is unacceptable M quote says

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dr. Wayne Minter am chair of the

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chiropractic board of Australia coat

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chiropractors must ensure they are doing

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the right thing by their practice and in

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their advertising they must adhere to

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the requirements of the law and the

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board's standards codes and guidelines

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there is no place for complacency we are

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writing to all chiropractors in

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Australia to make sure they are aware of

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this statement released today end quote

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said dr. Minter the statement says the

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Australian health practitioner

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regulation authority AHP are a worked

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closely with the board to develop the

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statement which quote clearly outlines

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what is in and what is out when

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advertising chiropractic services in

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quote a supplementary statement gives

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advice on what cannot be promoted for

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various regulated health services

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including vaccination and infant and

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child care both the CBA and the ahpra

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have come under serious pressure of

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light to ensure that unsubstantiated

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claims from some chiropractors are

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investigated and where necessary action

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taken against those chiropractors there

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have been suggestions that the CBA and

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possibly the board of the ahpra should

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be dismissed for their lack of action in

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sanctioning unethical and

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unsubstantiated claims quote in

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Australia we have a national regulatory

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scheme covering 40

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registered professionals including

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chiropractic that has keeping the public

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safe as its main priority anyone

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advertising regulated health services

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needs to understand their obligations

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and make sure they comply in quote said

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ahpra CEO Martin Fletcher the statement

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says that quote the chiropractic board

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of Australia commonly takes regulatory

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action against practitioners for

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breaches of national standards including

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successfully prosecuting to cases in

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2014 of individuals who were not

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registered chiropractors but were

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presenting themselves as being

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registered imposing conditions on the

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registration of 14 chiropractors issuing

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10 cautions and canceling / suspending

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the regulation of one practitioner in

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quote while the statement touts these

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regulatory actions their level of

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effectiveness and severity have been

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questioned dr. ken harvey joint author

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of a major complaint about chiropractic

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advertising says that quote claims made

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about the alleged value of routine

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chiropractic care for pregnant women

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newborns babies children and numerous

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medical conditions are often based on

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the erroneous subluxation concept in

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addition they clearly increase the

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practitioners business and bank balance

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it is my view that until such time as

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the board and the ahpra penalize and

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publicize those practitioners for

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breaching section 133 of the national

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law little will change part 7 of the

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national law is available to prosecute

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advertising offenses in the magistrate's

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court maximum penalties available for

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this statutory offence are five thousand

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dollars for an individual and ten

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thousand dollars for a body corporate

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penalties available under part eight

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include cautions accepting undertakings

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placing conditions on the practitioners

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registration or for professional

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misconduct referral to a tribunal with

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the power to impose additional penalties

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including a fine of up to thirty

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thousand dollars another advantage of

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part

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seven and eight of the national law is

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that court and tribunal decisions about

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individual practitioners are published

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on the ahpra website man quota CBA

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advice on advertising in order to

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provide further clarity to both

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practitioners in the public the board

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provides the following clear advice on

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advertising regulated health services

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inappropriate claims of benefit patients

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must be adequately informed when making

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health choices advertisers must ensure

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that any statement and claims made in

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relation to chiropractic care are not

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false misleading or deceptive or create

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unreasonable expectation of beneficial

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treatment the board is concerned about a

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number of practitioners who are making

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claims and advertising that there is a

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relationship between manual therapy for

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example manipulation for spinal problems

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and achieving general wellness or

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treating various organic diseases and

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infections or that spinal problems may

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have a direct role in various organic

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diseases and infections there is

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insufficient scientific evidence to

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support these claims of particular

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concern is the number of treatment

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claims in advertising relating to

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infants and children claim suggesting

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that manual manipulation for spinal

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problems consists with general wellness

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and or benefit a variety of pediatric

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syndromes and organic conditions are not

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supported by satisfactory evidence this

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includes claims relating to the

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development and behavioral disorders aah

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D autism spectrum disorders asthma

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infantile colic bedwetting ear

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infections and digestive problems

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advertising claims that a contrary to

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high level evidence are unacceptable

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high level evidence will usually take

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the form of meta-analysis systematic

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reviews or one or more high-quality and

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well-respected and acknowledged studies

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the board devotes its September 2015

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newsletter to providing information to

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practitioners on advertising related

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matters and strongly encourages

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practitioner

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to review their advertising and ensure

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it complies with the requirements of the

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national law or they risk prosecution

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and or disciplinary action

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anti-vaccination advice chiropractors

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should not display promote or provide

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materials information or advice that is

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anti-vaccination in nature and should

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not make public comment discouraging

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vaccination the code of conduct for

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chiropractors notes that all

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chiropractors have a responsibility

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promote the health of the community

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through disease prevention and control

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education and where relevant screening

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if patients request information about

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vaccinations they should be referred to

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an appropriately qualified health

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professional for advice care of pregnant

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patients chiropractors are not trained

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to apply direct treatment to an unborn

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child and should not deliver any

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treatment to an unborn child

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chiropractic care must not be

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represented or provided as treatment to

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the unborn child as an obstetric breach

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correction technique and that comes to

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us from the Australian skeptics website

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wwwcom not a you written by Kim mendham

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on Manor com au bunga bunga 24 begins as

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Maynard approaches the fortress of

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arrogance one pushes the button and

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waits Oh what's gonna happen now the

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fact is Australian soap operas are

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really popular in Britain because

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they're just happier it's sunnier sure

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Coronation Street tries to win people

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over by having a cat in the opening shot

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of the credits but once that cats gone

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the show's downhill from there as far as

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I'm concerned oh yeah you look at

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neighbors and so on oh I broke my finger

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now Coronation Street air Morag how are

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you will be no case since my cancer and

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buried Zamir fell out the list goes on

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and on because you're all plus you're

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ugly you mean and a hair yeah there's a

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Tim's historical hypotheticals Tim are

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you ready I was born shortly before I

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was ready the place Russia I like Russia

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the time 1916 I know here we go it's

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going to get ugly Tim you are at the

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user poo a lot palace oh and you over

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here people plotting to kill Rasputin's

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Tim what do you do Russia 1916 looks

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like Rasputin's up for it Rasputin

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pretended he was psychic he pretended he

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was able to predict the future and also

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he was having sex I would have Rasputin

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killed on the spot usually just get 100

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cats put him in a barrel on throwing the

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cats Rasputin did not help anybody and

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led to the Russian aristocracy failing

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against the communists overlords because

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they were all looking in the wrong

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direction because this stupid goofball

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with a communist cats from the dinner oh

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yeah I've used little communist castle

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small and of course they've all been to

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University and had some sort of degree

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00:39:24,279 --> 00:39:21,529
but strangely even though their old cat

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they're still going to university just

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doing one course so they're allowed to

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remain University communist one of the

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world's least useful social food groups

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oh those Russians don't expect too much

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hey you

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone now I think next week I might have

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a report about chiropractor here in

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Australia who's been treating young

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babies when I say young I mean that

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belly weeks old and children there's a

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series of online videos which are quite

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horrifying to see little babies having

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their backs pressed and you hear all the

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00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:33,010
popping sounds and it sends a chill up

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00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:35,980
my spine we might look into that next

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week it's very concerning also don't

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forget if you have a skeptical event

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happening around the world don't don't

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be scared to drop me alone at skeptic

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zone TV just click the contacts link and

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let me know about it I'd be happy to

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tell the world wide listening audience

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of the skeptic zone and has ever thank

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you to those people who chip in less

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than a dollar a week at skeptics and on

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TV biol micro payments and paypal that's

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really great it helps me keep the show

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going and I have the odd little bits of

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pieces of the equipment to buy my trip

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to the psychic fair today and help cover

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that so it it's a wonderful thing if you

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chip in as somebody says it's a two-way

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street if you enjoy the skeptic zone and

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click left of a bit of my ginger ale and

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ice here oh that's better this is

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Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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